BLOGS: Those RMIT almost-suicide-bombers ...

Andrew Bolt generally doesn't directly cast aspersions or makes insinuations about entire groups. He generally poses questions and leaves it to his commenters to take things furthsr. But on this occasion, Bolt just couldn't help himself.

Is this about faith - or about power?

Yep, Muslim students and staff who want a private space to perform their prayers are seeking to take over RMIT and turn it into a caliphate.

RMIT University’s acting pro vice-chancellor (students), Maddy McMaster, explains why this secular university won’t cave in to demands for yet more ...

(... emphasis mine.) Selfish cretins these Muslims are. They just keep demanding. They're never content.

... the Muslim students are demanding the university build them the de-facto mosque that Melbourne-city Muslims won’t build themselves.

Bolt knows this is a complete lie and fabrication. The students and staff are only asking for a dedicated room. They aren't asking for a huge building with minarets and a dome. But what's wrong with telling lies if it generates hatred against an undesirable group?

Can’t share. Won’t share. Demanding more than their share. Is this the authentic face of young Muslims in Australia?

Can vilify. Will vilify. Thinking himself above all human rights and anti-vilification legislation. Is this Andrew Bolt the authentic face of columnists at the Herald Sun?

If Andrew Bolt's blog is anything to go by, it certainly is. Here's what one commenter wrote about overseas students coming to Australia:

uptothebackteeth replied to George P
Mon 23 Mar 09 (02:51pm)
Commercial realities.. my foot!!I’ll see them in hell first.You don’t pander to zealots at any time. You keep giving an inch and they’ll keep taking the miles, and the demands will never end. What’s next on their agenda...Deny some other race they don’t like an education or some other extreme position. I could care less how much money they import each year.

A fairly mild start. But it gets better.

Terry replied to George P
Mon 23 Mar 09 (03:23pm)
I really don’t care how much they are paying, if their presence undermines civilised values in Autralia, let them go somewhere else. In case you don’t get that - these are racist bigots, and we don’t need them in our places of learning. Period, end of story. We certainly don’t need to feed from their pockets.

And of course, it doesn't matter if you were born and brought up in Australia. Your motives must necessarily be interpreted in light of the actions and attitudes of overseas actors over which you have absolutely no control.

Gerry Murphy replied to Sasha
Mon 23 Mar 09 (02:01pm)
They do unlike the reception a Christian would receive in an Islamic country. It’s about the perception that their demands are unreasonable, and they are. It fits a tiresome pattern of incessant grievance mongering and special pleading that will never be satisfied.

Still, at least we can be grateful that these nasty foreign beedy-eyed protestors aren't doing what their kind do overseas.

Hey, at least they are protesting and not using Suicide Bombings.
Nathan (Reply)
Mon 23 Mar 09 (12:43pm)

Hey, at least Andrew Bolt is just moderating racist comments and not imposing apartheid in Australia in the manner some other consevatives of Dutch origin had done in South Africa and Indonesia. Woops, was that offensive? Moving right along ...

These blasted people don't belong in our country.

john n replied to scotty
Mon 23 Mar 09 (01:58pm)
Yes and there are lots more and many mosques -right back where they belong ,in their Islamic countries ...

lethal replied to DALTS
Mon 23 Mar 09 (01:12pm)
... They say we discriminate against them then turn around and ask for special treatment that keeps them separate from the rest of us dirty infidels. Trouble is, Muslims see themselves as superior to the rest of us filthy infidels - they really want to be treated as better than us.

Daniel Lewis (of Rushcutters Bay fame) then decides to inject some prejudice from another blog ...

Daniel Lewis replied to DALTS
Mon 23 Mar 09 (02:36pm)
... Vexnews has more (note my comments).

Yes, the in-house counsel at Herald and Weekly Times Pty Limited should note these comments.
Perhaps long-time employees may recall a time when other minorities were baited in this fashion. Or maybe not. Andrew Bolt's friends certainly don't.

frank replied to Susan of Victoria
Mon 23 Mar 09 (04:24pm)
Unlike other migrant groups who want to share their culture this lot are different,in that they seem to want to come in and tell us how we should be living,eating drinking,dressing, worshipping and not only get offended but get even aggressive if we dont conform to their ways.

They really don't belong in our country, do they Andrew?

They can find all the Muslim prayer spaces they’d need in an Islamic country where, I’m sure, they’d be happier, May Allah speed them on their way.

Bob Up of Beaumaris, Vic (Reply)
Mon 23 Mar 09 (12:58pm)

I could go on and on. It must have been like this for German Jews reading newspapers during the 1920's and '30's. This is the level of discourse from Australia's biggest selling newspaper.

Also, in case you are wondering, one of the Herald Sun's advertisers is the World Society for the Protection of Animals. Feel free to forward any racist and xenophobic comments moderated by Bolt and his minions to their e-mail address: wspa@wspa.org.au. Ask them whether they are happy for their advertisement to be placed on the same page as this xenophobic filth.

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HATEWATCH/BLOG: Andrew Bolt's bloggers want to KILL ALL MUSLIMS ...

Kill all Muslims? Bomb all Muslims? Murder 1.2 billion people? Blow up over 55 states? Even this guy finds such talk unconscionable.

But Andrew Bolt and his buddies at the Herald Sun don't. President Obama wants to send a message to the Iranian people. But the message from Bolt's buddies to anyone living in an OIC member state is clear:

In the Islamic world, they look at negotiaions as surrender.
the Dean of Doonside (Reply) Sun 22 Mar 09 (09:52am)


Barry of Round replied to the Dean Sun 22 Mar 09 (10:52am)
Insightful.
Best bomb them in that case.


Larry replied to the Dean Sun 22 Mar 09 (01:10pm)
Barry of Round, bombing them, back to the stone age where their politico-religious philosophy belongs, would indeed be the only thing they understand.
Islam has no such thing as a peace treaty, just hudna, to be entered into when weaker than the opposition, and only lasting long enough for them to gather the strength to have another go.
You don’t negotiate with that, you shoot it.

Those companies choosing to advertise on the Herald Sun website should consider whether their sponsorship of such messages will further their export sales in countries such as Indonesia and Malaysia.

Andrew Bolt regards the massacre of over 1 billion people as perfectly acceptable discourse. So does the Herald-Sun.

Enough is enough. It wasn't enough for Bolt to cast aspersions on Australians of Sudanese, Somalis, Lebanese and other backgrounds. Bolt has allowed his blog to become a place where people can incite violence and murder against others.

Bolt should be sacked.

UPDATE I: I am informed that one of the blog moderators has now removed the offending remarks.

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BLOG: Those blasted Africans in their leopard skins who marry nice white Murdoch girls ...

You don't have to go far into Tim Blair's blogging past to see that he and his buddies are such huge friends of persons from non-European backgrounds. Just read this classic remark about Rupert Murdoch's daughter:

Elisabeth is the smartest one of the lot—apart from her unfortunate first marriage to the son of some African diplomat. Even that was worth it for the picture of Murdoch at the wedding, surrounded by his new in-laws in leopard skin traditional dress. Anyway she dumped Bongo and married one of the Freuds—leading James to remark in his wedding speech that the groom had better be well endowed because his sister was accustomed to a black man! ...
Posted by Phranger on 2005 07 29 at 11:37 PM

Yep, absolutely no racism there. I'm sure Mr Murdoch and the family will be most impressed. Can't wait to read what Blair and his mates say about Wendy ...

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BLOG: You can always choose your housemate ...

Some weeks back, the people at the Pure Poison blog decided to issue an apology to Tim Blair:

... it was suggested by a writer on this site that enthusiastic Pure Poison critic “WB”, a character who although we haven’t seen him or her before appears intimately familiar with old allegations about our pasts, had been making comments from Tim Blair’s private IP address. The post, now removed from the Crikey site, included speculation on the identity of WB, concluding that it was Blair. Tim denies this flatly, and notes that people in the same house would share an IP.

Emphasis mine.

Yep, some person calling themselves WB uses Blair's private IP address. And let's read what WB has to say on a variety of issues:

... Name a great Palestinian artist. And I don’t mean some ‘conceptual’ wanker whose art is all about ‘the occupation’ I mean art, beauty, perfect rendering of vision and delight, Titian, Rembrandt, heck, even Bacon, that kind of art. There isn’t one. 60 frickin’ years, 3 generations, and no artistic achievement, not one painter? Did the eviiil joooos take the paintbrushes and the paint away? No. The Palestinians never bothered - too busy lying about their terrible starvaaation and genociiiide .and the awful naaaaaaqba ... if it seems as if I am angry at them, I am. Cos they should be better than suicide bombs and shooting “collabrators” and slaughtering Olympians. And it’s 2009 and they’re still not.
WB (Reply)
Sat 21 Mar 09 (01:36am)

An entire nation turned into a bunch of unartistic murderous whingers with strange accents. And this type of racial slur was happily published by Blair.

You can't choose your relos, Blair, but you have chosen your flatmates. And you are judged by the company your keep. If you moderate this racist trash on your blog, notwithstanding what you should know are the provisions of State and Commonwealth legislation dealing with racial vilification, and notwithstanding your own publication guidelines, it shows you regard racist hate-speech as acceptable.

A person who regards racist hate-speech as acceptable. Can we regard such a person as a racist?

UPDATE I: An anonymous commenter has claimed that WB is in fact the person behind the "WogBlog" and is Blair's female friend. I cannot confirm or deny whether that is the case, and quite frankly don't particularly care.

UPDATE II: So apparently the Palestinians have no artists, no writers, no one of any significance other than people who shoot Olympians and people alleged to be on the Shin Beth payroll. No doubt WB considers these people to be eskimos. And each of these people are Russians. And look at how devious and sleezy those Palestinians are for taking credit for this brilliant Italian poet. Yep, you just cannot trust those Palestinian terrorists.

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HATEWATCH/BLOG: Blair's blog buddies roll out the Nazi-style hate-speech ...

For centuries leading upto the Holocaust, the dominant prejudice in Europe was anti-Semitism. European Jews were the subject of all kinds of suspicion, from blood libels to the suggestion that Judaism allows its followers to relinquish their promises and contracts. One common Jewish ritual prayer was often cited as evidence that Jews could break their promises and hence where inherently untrustworthy.

Today's bigots reproduce that prejudice against the faith which bares the closest resemblance to Judaism. Some Muslim sources, especially those in the shia tradition, speak of taqiyya, a special teaching which allows a Muslim to hide his or her faith in times of severe persecution.

Anti-shia polemicists from sunni circles sometimes use the idea of taqiyya as a tool to discredit shi'i Islam and to make the outlandishly silly claim that shia Muslims cannot be trusted and have some secret agenda to take control over Muslim institutions and countries.

Yet the bigotry of sunni supremacists is nothing compared to the extreme bigotry and prejudice of the nazis that congregate around Tim Blair's blog hosted by the Daily Telecra ... woops ... Telegraph. Blair happily entertains and allows onto his blog the rants of those whose prejudices he shares, or at least which he considers within the ballpark of acceptable discourse.

Hence, the recent incident involving Sheik Hilaly has given Blair's buddies an excuse to unleash the kind of Nazi-era bigotry Blair's blog is famous for. Here is a sample:

What does the Koran say about an imam lying to manipulate infidels?

Well, it’s all ok...taqqiya means not a single word his outfit says can be trusted.
TT (Reply)
Thu 19 Mar 09 (01:56pm)

Who are "his outfit"? It's obvious. Then Daniel Lewis, ever a defender of even the worst Israeli atrocities, happily repeats the Nazi-era slur against a group he loves to hate.

Daniel Lewis replied to Daniel Lewis
Thu 19 Mar 09 (05:52pm)

... Keysar Trad should be along shortly to offer the usual lost in translation defence.

Please sir, may I have some more hyperlinks?

Once again, Blair's buddies take the Tele back to the 1930's. Just replace "Jew" with "Muslim" and you can almost hear the thugs marching down Kippax Street.

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HATEWATCH/BLOG: Some groups deserve to be vilified ...

At the Herald Sun website, there are some groups that one is not allowed to vilify. And then there are some groups that one is encouraged to vilify. Sometimes they can be identified according to race, sometimes according to presumed ancestral religious affiliation. Sometimes it's a case of either/or. Sometimes in can change in less than an hour.

At 6:16am this morning, Andrew Bolt seemed to have discovered that crime bosses can change their religious affiliation even when they’re dead. Andrew arose to blog about the murder of a Sydney drug boss. He cited this Daily Telegraph article which named Sydney crime figures Abdul Qadier Darwiche, Danny Karam and Michael Kanaan. His blog entry, headlined “Not all felafels and homous (sic.)”, began with this line:

Marvellous how some groups are making their way in their new Sydney home.

Bolt abruptly ended the post after reproducing the relevant excerpt from the Tele article. It seems Andrew was intending to make an issue of the ethnic group involved - the mention of “felafels and homous (sic.)” along with the names of certain crime figures was a clear indication that Bolt’s “some groups” referred to Lebanese migrants, whether of Sunni Muslim background (such as AQ Darwiche) or Christian (such as M Kanaan and D Karam). Bolt was effectively casting aspersions on Lebanese migrants in general, among them this Bulldog champion, the Queen's representative in New South Wales, and some Victorian kid whose ancestors came from the Beka'a Valley.

But then around 40 minutes later, Bolt decided that Kanaan and Karam had suddenly changed their religions. In Karam’s case, the change of faith may have taken place during the 11 year period since he was murdered.

Hence Bolt changed the first sentence of his blog to read:

Marvellous how some Lebanese Muslim groups are making their way in their new Sydney home (emphasis mine).

After citing the Tele paragraph, Bolt added this sentence ...

Time to hold some politicians and policies to account.

... before citing two paragraphs from a January 2007 story in The Australian about how former Prime Minister Fraser was warned about the consequences of accepting certain migrants who didn’t have “the required qualities”.

Bolt’s fine-tuning of his original blogpost made more logical sense when its racism was more ecumenical. Muslim Lebanese aren’t the only Lebanese who eat “homous” (sic.) and felafels. In fact, felafels are also a popular dish in Turkey, Syria and Israel.

And if you thought that was weird, check out the blogpost from 5:13am where Bolt manages to somehow link the arrest of a man on murder charges in England to a number of South Korean tourists murdered in Yemen. Perhaps Andrew should limit his blogging to office hours.

Disclaimer: In case it matters, the writer’s parents were born in Delhi.

UPDATE I: As expected, Bolt's comments have generated a storm of xenophobic comments, which Bolt is quite happy to allow to be aired. Here are a sample:

Many wonderful Lebanese Christians left Lebanon because the influx of Muslins ruined their once wonderful country and cause the destruction of their city by using its country as a base to attack Israel. The same Lebanese Christians who felt the country and emigrated to Australia have been warning us for years not to let any Lebanese Muslims in for they will surely do the same here. We should have heeded their warning!

George P of Albert Park (Reply)
Mon 16 Mar 09 (11:47am)

So there were no indigenous Lebanese Muslims living in the area now known as Lebanon. Apart from the fact that this remark is deeply racist (and hence perfectly legitimate comment for a newspaper that regards itself as being above the law), it is also profoundly ignorant. But the ignorant racism doesn't end there.

Mick replied to George P
Mon 16 Mar 09 (05:26pm)
Yep, my Leb mates couldn’t believe that the Oz Govt decided to let these Leb/Syrian Muslims in. It never makes sense to accept refos from both sides of a conflict, and in this case, it’s the Muslims who caused the trouble, and isn’t it the case every time?

So all the troubles in Lebanon were caused by these foreign Muslims. And Lebanese Muslims always cause the trouble everywhere they go. Everywhere. Each and every place. No exceptions. This is racial vilification, Andrew Bolt style. But Andrew doesn't have the guts to write this stuff himself. He has his minions write it. Then he moderates it and lets it on.

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BLOGS: It's all black and white ...

Reporting crime statistics isn't an easy job. The Victorian police haven't been as proficient in this area as they could be. Hence when the Victorian Opposition Leader asked the Victorian Ombudsman to look into the matter in April 2008, it was taken seriously. You can read the Ombudsman's full report here.

The goals of the Ombudsman's investigation are summed up in his report as follows:

... it was my view that uncertainty regarding the validity of crime statistics and police numbers needed to be resolved. Ongoing debate about the integrity and accuracy of this data could undermine public confidence in Victoria Police and have a deleterious effect on the quality of public debate regarding law and order issues.

My investigation was concerned with two key issues. Firstly, do Victoria Police crime statistics accurately reflect the community’s experience of crime as it is reported to police? Secondly, can the public have confidence that the information about the number and availability of police in Victoria is accurately reported?

I confess that I haven't read the full report. I'm not sure if Herald Sun blogger Andrew Bolt has. However, he's already drawn some conclusions.

And what are these conclusions? Do they merely concern the alleged massaging of crime statistics? Was it just about police numbers? In fact Andrew's concerns are also about whether ...

... the crime rate among African refugees was not higher than for everyone else ...

... and about how ...

... police and court protocols in dealing with minorities.

Again, I admit I haven't read the full report. But it might have been useful for Mr Bolt to have pointed out precisely where the Ombudsman talks about crime amongst African and other minorities.

Andrew's commenters have less hesitation in pointing the fingers ...

rick9 replied to Barry Bones Wed 11 Mar 09 (05:40pm)
stats on whites are easy to find, and are not being hidden by PC police management. When the ‘force’ tries to shy away from doing their job and becomes an instrument of mushy multiculturalism, society has a BIG problem

Second alleged murder in Adelaide by African men. Both against fellow Africans. That is 2 murders this past year for an ethnic group only numbering 2000.
crime rep (Reply) Wed 11 Mar 09 (07:29pm)

And so a legitimate discussion about crime statistics and police numbers becomes an exercise in trying to prove that African migrants are more crooked than the rest of us. But don't dare call this racism lest you be accused of being "PC" or "bleeding heart" or a "lefty". Or worst of all, a "Muslim".

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BLOGS/HATEWATCH: Bolt's bloggers on African and Pakistani taxi-drivers ...

Thanks to the Pure Poison blog on the Crikey website for alerting these to its readers. The following racist comments have been on Andrew Bolt's blog since November 2008. There is simply no excuse for these comments to have been published in the first place. Unless, of course, Bolt and his friends at the Herald Sun don't regard these comments as racist.

rossco replied to Tony
Wed 26 Nov 08 (07:24am)
Of course there’s one simple solution - don’t get into any taxi with a black driver.

Er, Andrew, how is this comment not racist?

On the offchance that I ever visit Melbourne I’ll be definately ensuring that any cab I catch has a non-African driving it. I’m not being racist, just practical - its hard enough to keep one’s cool when city driving is pretty full-on at the best of times, what with road-rage and traffic congestion and idiot drivers making foolish and reckless decisions. The last thing a passenger needs is to be worried that their taxi driver may go ‘postal’ on them (or other drivers) due to the stresses he is enduring during the course of performing his job. Not a good decision by that tribunal, and will certainly have broader consequences. Rosemary of Queensland (Reply) Wed 26 Nov 08 (07:24am)

Yep, nothing racist about that. But why stop at race? Why not double the prejudice with a good old fashioned dose of sectarian hate-speech?

Relax infidels, you are just as safe in this brothers cab as in any other fundamental Moslem’s one. Islamic Rage Boy of Insane.... or fulfilling Mo's obligations? (Reply) Wed 26 Nov 08 (07:57am)

Religion does tend to make things a little to complex. How about we just keep things black and white.

Simple. Just don’t accept a cab driven by an African. Rod of Singapore (Reply) Wed 26 Nov 08 (08:32am)

What could be simpler than that, Rod? Maybe this ...

If I see ANY African driving a taxi , I will not entering it. Many do not speak or read English, have no idea how to drive safely and certainly do NOT know anything about the cities they drive in. Oh.. once again...no apologies ..
frankly fed up of melbourne (Reply) Wed 26 Nov 08 (12:59pm)

And so once again the Herald Sun has become a forum where all kinds of crazy xenophobes can have their say.

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BLOGS/HATEWATCH: Blair's buddies call for terrorism and mass conversion ...

What kind of blog comments are worth moderating and posting? In Tim Blair's case, they include comments that support terrorism (assassination of world leaders) and mass conversion of people to Christianity.

Blair, opinion editor of Sydnet's Daily Telegraph, hasn't been a happy man of late. At around 7:50pm on the evening of 24 February 2009, he called me to advise I’d made an error in Crikey. Apparently I’d claimed Blair had alleged anonymous leftist were leaving nasty messages on his blog to make him look racist. Blair said that it was not he who made this claim. It was Andrew Bolt. Blair subsequently wrote on his blog about my error, also speculating about my “body weight”.

Blair. of course, doesn’t have nasty leftists on his blog. One of his posts on the terrorist attacks in Pakistan carried this interesting comment exchange:

Nora Charles replied to Brett_McS
Wed 04 Mar 09
(04:08pm)
Ann Coulter had the right idea in her column on September 13, 2001.
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.

hayesy replied to Brett_McS
Wed 04 Mar 09 (04:15pm)
... Nice try, troll.

Walter Plinge replied to Brett_McS
Wed 04 Mar 09
(04:31pm)
hayesy - you’re a newcomer to this forum I see.
Norah is a long-standing contributor of the highest integrity. Most definitely not a troll.

Infidel Tiger replied to Brett_McS
Wed 04 Mar 09 (04:59pm)
When Coulter first said that it sounded crazy. Now, not so much.

Apparently the comment wasn’t serious. Yeah, right. And apparently supporting terrorism makes you someone of "the highest integrity".

Nora Charles replied to Brett_McS
Wed 04 Mar 09 (05:01pm)
Hi hayesy, The quote from Ann is accurate. My use of it is somewhat tongue in cheek. I’m sorry for the confusion ...

murph replied to Brett_McS
Wed 04 Mar 09 (10:35pm)
I agree Norah. I said on Sept 11 2001, that we should establish beachheads in Morocco, Lebanon & Basra and conduct a war of annihilation as we did with the Nazis and the Japanese in WW2 - destroying and demoralising their culture and their will. We should have let the Indians off the leash as well. The war should have been taken directly to them.

The fact is that we are going to have to do this at some time anyhow. We should have done it whilst we have the upper hand.

The Ann Coulter line of invasion, assassination and forced conversion is up there with her claims that Canada sent troops to Vietnam and that Jews need to have their faith perfected ...



And in case xenophobia and genocide is your cup of tea, you can read plenty more comments comparing Muslims to Nazis and calling for their elimination at Andrew Bolt’s blog.

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HATEWATCH: More blog madness at the Herald Sun

Andrew Bolt has blown the whistle, and the dogs of war, hatred, genocide and xenophobia have come out barking on his blog. His post entitled Cricketers shot (as if the policemen, the 2 by-standers and the Pakistani umpire were just killed and wounded by aliens from the Planet Fnkjgmnv) again shows the madness that is blogging at News Limited tabloids ...

craig of brisbane shares with us his sophisticated analysis:

You nailed it Andrew - the ‘role of Islam’. It’s true that not all Muslims are terrorists. But for some reason, out of all the worlds faiths, Islam seems to produce the most terrorists. The question has to be asked why. I can’t think of many places in the world that has conflict that doesn’t have ‘Islam’ lurking around somewhere. The Christian reformation brought on critical thinking and interrogation of belief. That has never happened with Islam. And it won’t happen, because Muslims are forbidden to question their faith. But they need to. And if they don’t, someone else should. Islam needs to come under vigourous and public interogation. Mohammed and some of his activities need to be publically exposed and interrorgated. Very hard questions must be asked of Muslims in a very public way. Muslim children should be taught some of the more unfavourable parts of the Koran so they can make balanced desicions as they get older.
Interrogation of belief will upset some - but if it forces muslims to think - then so be it.
craig of brisbane (Reply)
Tue 03 Mar 09 (10:25pm)

Indeed. Why blame lax security when it is so much easier to blame religious texts? And we all know what profound impacts the Reformation left on Christians in South America and the Eastern Orthodox lands. Generalisations are so much fun.

Another chap named adam of bris had this to say:

Its getting SeriousLy hArd to ignore what is Most obvious.
adam of bris (Reply)
Tue 03 Mar 09 (10:46pm)

Yep, blame it on the religion of those who died. Makes lots of sense.

Queensland seems to have a fair share of wackos leaving messages on Bolt's blog. Here is what JimmyB of Brisbane has to contribute to the debate:

All immigration by muslims from ME countries should be banned forthwith. Any mad mullahs preaching jihad against western society should be deported yesterday. Shake Rattle and Roll Hilaly should be the first to go. Any apologists should accompany them on thear trip home and stay with them.Anyone of Christian,Hindu, Buddhist faith/religion are quiet welcome. Before I’m labelled a racist or bigot, my wife is Hindu and I’m RC.
JimmyB of Brisbane Wed 04 Mar 09 (01:33am)

Some poor chap named Simon at Albert Park tries to inject some reasoned discussion. Here he goes ...

ANDREW -
Could I respectfully say that bigotry like this only inflames conflict & the divide between people for the long-term - it does nothing to help anyone, it does nothing good.
I am born in Australia, decended from the First Fleet, I speak english, have white skin, pay my tax and work for a living. And I am a Muslim who attends the Mosque every Friday.
If I knew confidently - that another Muslim was intending to do something insane like this - then I would contact the Police, no doubt whatsoever.
My observation of the Muslims I know, are that they are harmless, read a lot and probably would not be involved in a pub-fight, let alone know which end of a gun to point. We are happy to be law-abiding citazens and we are offended when the media generalizes about us and makes a huge controversy about the smallest mistake any of us make.
Please modify your viewpoint.
Simon of Albert Park (Reply) Wed 04 Mar 09 (07:22am)

I'm not quite sure why Simon bothered. Here is what he gets in reward for his respectful submission:

Dave replied to Simon Wed 04 Mar 09 (09:47am)
As soon as someone starts their post on this blog with “Andrew” you just know it is some condescending prat who feels the need to educate us all.
Can I as you a question; those who were wise enough in the 1930’s to question the Nazis were they also “bigots”?

Mattmax replied to Simon Wed 04 Mar 09 (09:57am)
Are your Friday prayers conducted in English? What Mosque do you attend ? I’ll come and attempt to corroborate your assertions. Is any Friday OK?
Otherwise what you say reads like a lot of tosh or some snazzy trolling.

Dale replied to Simon Wed 04 Mar 09 (10:14am)
Simon,
Thank you for sharing your point of view (and that of your local community) but surely you cannot deny that there is a serious problem within the worldwide Muslim population.
Your viewpoint that those around you are law abiding peaceful citizens and Andrews viewpoint that Islam holds a role in polital violence are not at odds and neither requires adjustment.

Mattmax replied to Simon Wed 04 Mar 09 (01:47pm)
P.S Simon I will see at the Mosque on Friday . Is it OK if i bring a Jewish friend who understands Arabic?.I guess as there are no sacraments we can’t offend just by attending and listening in silence?

Dave of Bathurst has recently travelled in Dr Who's machine to prehistoric times ...

The one thing you are confronted with as soon as you point out just how backward and violent Islam is, is someone saying “Look at the Christians with their Crusades and Inquisition”. Yes we must condemn religious violence no matter where it comes from. However the Crusades etc. Were hundreds of years ago, how many Catholic suicide bombers and mad gun do we have today? So let’s put that stupid counter “argument” behind us and look at the very real problem with Islam and start doing something about these cavemen.
Dave of Bathurst (Reply) Wed 04 Mar 09 (07:23am)

Amongst all this madness, there were two sensible comments:

Let’s just have the “Islam vs. the rest of the world match” that the madmen seem to want and get it over with.
perturbed of NSW (Reply)
Wed 04 Mar 09 (09:16am)

The crazy factor on here is even worse than usual.
This thread suggests
1) Genocide as a solution to Islam- not a distinction between radical and mainstream Islam either.
2) That Muslims are “subhuman”
3)That to suggest that Bush is at all to blame for the radicalisation and growing crisisin Pakistan for the last… 8 years or so… is somehow an intellectual stretch.
You people are stark raving mad. Your stupidity and ignorance is approaching that of radical islam- which only a proper, nuanced approach will ever come close to resolving. More will be achieved by funding a secular education system in Pakistan than sowing fields with salt ever will.
And the moderators here should lose their jobs for allowing the carthage comments through, especially when further comments meant that ignorance was no longer an excuse.
Phoebus (Reply)
Wed 04 Mar 09 (02:37pm)

And here is my comment on all this, which I doubt Andrew Bolt will allow to be published:

I wouldn't bother, Phoebus. Andrew Bolt has blown the whistle and all the dogs of genocide, xenophobia, racism and bigotry are barking like crazy.

The Herald Sun's advertisers would never get away with having such hate speech published on their servers. I know this because I'm an employment law solicitor who has acted for companies and government departments that have disciplined staff for making racist remarks on e-mail servers and intranets. I've also acted for workers who have been disciplined and/or sacked for sending online content deemed racist.

The Herald Sun publishes comments that, 70 years ago, would have been published in German, Dutch and other European papers about Jews.

The Herald Sun thinks it is above the law. Its advertisers should not have to fund such hate-speech. I suggest copies of these comments should be printed out and posted to all Herald Sun advertisers. Perhaps when the money stops rolling in, Andrew Bolt and his colleagues will change their ways.

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